1992 Alfa Romeo 155 Q4


1991 BMW M3


1993 Ford SVT Cobra


1990 Lotus Carlton (aka Opel Omega)


1990 Mercedes 190E


This would be a short, 5 race season:
Nurb GP (2x10 laps)
Mugello (2x11 laps)
Nurburgring Nordschleife (2x4 laps)
Bernese Alps Festival (2x11 laps)
Hockenheimring (2x12 laps)

The e36 m3 i ran in another series, its calling my name lol.

dibs on that alfa

The alfa has that old dtm body kit but its not adjustable aero though.

Alfa is adjustable aero with the DTM kit

oh spit really? i swear i checked. thats b a man. in that case... cough cough Teams oddball?

Builds on my storefront and cars shared in club garage.

The Alfa has adjutable front and rear aero with the DTM body kit.
The Merc has adjustable rear aero stock.
I included 2 builds for everything but the Alfa (one with full race aero, the other with aesthetic aero).
We'll see how they balance out.

If you have a chance to test, please put any notes you have or suggested build revisions in this thread. Oh, BTW, these cars all have a Sport Transmissions. Luckily they are geared pretty well.

It looks like we're only missing 2 cars from the actual 1993 season. Both are Opels. One of which (the Omega) was also sold as the Lotus Carlton. Looks like I have a couple more builds to do.

If anyone has a set of jersey style numbers (like on the number boards of the cars pictured) that they wouldn't mind sharing, please let me know.

What PI range are we talking here?

Rwd @ 650 +/-
Awd @ 700

hmmm okay.

Builds are on my storefront if you want to take a peek at the balance.

They are a starting point. The cars in the real series were much more powerful and weighed much less. When I tried to get the right power to weight ratio, they were R3 cars. With handling ratings right around 6. Not very fun. I scaled back the power and made them much more fun to drive.

Sounds like fun. Love the track list.

To be fair ive heard stories about those DTM cars being crazy hard to grasp so i suppose it wouldnt me too far off but still im looking forward to seeing where this goes.

The Volvo 242 and the Ford Sierra are in your plans?

I'm looking primarily at the 93 season. The only car we're missing from that year is one of the Opels.

The most up to date builds are on my storefront. If you would like a build sent to you, please let me know.

Can you dig it?

So how will teams work and car numbers? Will there be a limit on numbers per car for this series?

Dr PiiHB wrote:

So how will teams work and car numbers? Will there be a limit on numbers per car for this series?

I need to take a look at the series and see what the actual breakdown was as far as manufacturers. It will likely be along the lines of 4 BMWs and Mercs, 3 Alfas and Lotus, then 2 mustangs.

The '93 season car/team totals:
11 Merc
4 Opal
4 Alfa
3 BMW
1 Ford

AMG-Mercedes - 4 drivers
Zakspeed (Merc) - 2 drivers
Persson Motorsport (Merc) - 3 drivers
DTM-Junior-Team (Merc) - 2 drivers
Joest (Opal) - 2 drivers
Kissling (Opal) - 2 drivers
Alfa Corse - 2 drivers
Schübel (Alfa) - 2 drivers
Linder (BMW) - 1 driver
Auto Maass (BMW) - 1 driver
Kaucuk (BMW) - 1 driver
Team Challenger (Ford) - 1 driver

The car numbers were given based on the driver standings of the previous season.

Oh wow. That's a tough decision. I do love that model merc but then I do like to run American. Tough call since only American option here is Ford. Decisions decisions.

Wow. I knew it was a Merc heavy series, but damn. I'll have to give it some thought when I get home from work.

This is gonna be a fun series

I'll take one of those Vauxhall Carlton's please buddy Think I have a thing for Heavy British Beasts!

here is your Carlton sir

Yea I KNEW someone would mention The Fresh Prince, I even asked myself if that's who the Car was named after   

Anyone willing to get a Practice/Testing session going in the coming week or so? And is custom building allowed in balancing the cars? They seem great and am impressed just maybe one or two tweaks needed, one for example is a Gearbox some cars have a better ratio than others in Sport so maybe enforce a Race box but limit to 5 Gears like DTM's had.

I'm going to try to get on tonight for a little bit. I'll definitely use all the data I can get to get as much car/driver balancing as possible done before the series starts.

Okay. For the sake of variety (and to help people get into cars they like), I came up with 2 different scenarios for drivers per car:

Realistic:
Merc x 7
Lotus x 3
Alfa x 3
BMW x 2
Ford x 1

More variety:
Merc x 4
Opel x 4
Alfa x 4
BMW x 2
Ford x 2

I'm pretty much done with my work at the speedway aside from the odd day here or there until they call me back for SpeedWeeks 2015 (or possibly another venue later in the summer), so I'm hoping my schedule will stabilize a bit in the near future. Once that happens, I can start figuring out what nights to hold the events.

ROSCOEpCOTRAIN wrote:

here is your Carlton sir

The Carlton can definitely move.

For practice, please put together a 2 different build packages; one with race tires and the other with sport tires

Ran some laps with base setups on each car, some adjustments I made brought the Mercedes and the BMW down to the same level as the others, i.e adding weight (closing the gap from 600/700lbs to 300/500lbs), other changes include added Grip and Horsepower, feel free to build a copy and see what you think, I believe this would be nearer the balancing you'd need however I strongly reccommend Race Gearboxes in the restrictions.

Mercedes Build: S625, 430HP, 2767lbs
Engine & Power: All Race, except stock Oil+Cooling
Platform & Handling: All Race, except Sport Weight Reduction
Drivetrain: All Race, except Sport Gearbox
Tyres & Rims: Race Compound, 265 Front, 275 Rear, BBS RS-GT Rims.
Aero: Race Front Bumper

BMW Build: S630, 421HP, 2578lbs
Engine & Power: Race Air Filter, Race Fuel System, Sport Ignition, Race Exhaust, Race Camshaft, Race Valves, Race Displacement, Race Flywheel
Platform & Handling: All Race, except Sport Weight Reduction
Drivetrain: All Race, except Sport Gearbox
Tyres & Rims: Race Compound, 245 Front, 245 Rear, BBS RS-GT Rims.
Aero: Race Front Bumper, Race Rear Wing.

I'll give it a whirl lol

Thanks for the input. My plan is to wait until I gather some data from group testing, then fine tune the builds for each driver preseason.

I'll be opening up a registration thread shortly so we can get some formal testing going.

You can fine tune the builds per driver easily with these, only thing i'd be wary of is how far you go with it, some drivers may find their pace mid-testing whilst others during the race, I would advise a secret *Category* to start the season and have a drivers split between those limits, that way it creates less risk of one or any driver being out-balanced by too far or too short, and also means you get the close racing you want.

I.E Say I went for the Mercedes, Rosco for the BMW and Max for the Ford, what you would have immediately is 3 classes upon ability and experience, so I would loose maybe 2 tire widths and 10HP from my car, Rosco would stay the same, and Max would receive a Bump.

Hope I'm explaining it clearly, this wouldn't be for the whole season just for the Launch, that way if people suddenly find pace before the evening they wouldn't be too outbalanced overall.

As I said, is only a suggestion.

I agree with u sir

I'm in!

Spent a good 3-4 hour hours last night running laps and fine tuning each of the cars, whilst the adjustments brought the BMW's Speed/Accel down and the Merc's amazing grip reduced to the same background as the other 3 cars, it did create a Major gap for Nurb GP alone, therefor I worked them closer to how you built them originally. Did some more major testing this morning before I have to leave for work and found these to be as close as I myself could drive them, the Lotus is matching both times and the Ford is slightly faster on this circuit as well as Hock and Mugello so maybe consider a slight handling or power reduction.

Hope this helps, sorry if it seems like im butting in, since I used to spend all my time building cars thought id help iron out any errors that could sneak through, I myself know how busy and stressful setting up a series can be so only want to help.
Cheers.

Mercedes Build: S648, 430HP, 2505lbs
Engine & Power: All Race, except stock Oil+Cooling & Stock Pistons
Platform & Handling: All Race
Drivetrain: All Race, except Sport Gearbox
Tyres & Rims: Race Compound, 265 Front, 275 Rear, BBS RS-GT Rims.
Aero: Race Front Bumper

BMW Build: S631, 400HP, 2377lbs
Engine & Power: Race Air Filter, Race Ignition, Race Exhaust, Race Camshaft, Race Valves, Race Pistons, Race Oil + Cooling
Drivetrain: All Race, except Sport Gearbox
Tyres & Rims: Race Compound, 245 Front, 245 Rear, BBS RS-GT Rims.
Aero: Race Front Bumper, Race Rear Wing.

Registration is open. Please see some additional details below.

DirtyDawg73 wrote:

The permitted number of drivers per car is indicated below:
Merc x 4
Opel x 4
Alfa x 4
BMW x 2
Ford x 2

Teams will be limited to 2 cars each.

Builds can be found in the car specifications section of this sub-forum. Please prepare 2 builds for use in practice - one with race tires and the other with sport tires. For ease of testing, I'd suggest saving the builds as Option 1 and Option 2 as indicated in the build threads.

MERCS & BMWS - please prepare an additional build based on LMR Warspite's recommendations below:

LMR WARSPITE wrote:

Mercedes Build: S648, 430HP, 2505lbs
Engine & Power: All Race, except stock Oil+Cooling & Stock Pistons
Platform & Handling: All Race
Drivetrain: All Race, except Sport Gearbox
Tyres & Rims: Race Compound, 265 Front, 275 Rear, BBS RS-GT Rims.
Aero: Race Front Bumper

BMW Build: S631, 400HP, 2377lbs
Engine & Power: Race Air Filter, Race Ignition, Race Exhaust, Race Camshaft, Race Valves, Race Pistons, Race Oil + Cooling
Drivetrain: All Race, except Sport Gearbox
Tyres & Rims: Race Compound, 245 Front, 245 Rear, BBS RS-GT Rims.
Aero: Race Front Bumper, Race Rear Wing.

Only modification to the builds suggested by Warspite is 18" rims front & rear.

Please label the setup with Race Tires Option 3 and the setup with Sport Tires Option 4.

As we conduct the formal testing sessions there will be tweaks. Preseason testing will take place at venues not included in the schedule, but should provide a good basis for comparison. Likely candidates for preseason runs include (but are not limited to) Road America, Suzuka Full, and Tsukuba.

Ill run the ford. I owned one of those cars. By far my fav. Body style

I sent out some number boards last night. Those can be used or discarded. I put up new boards and the numbers to be used on the boards in my storefront. I'll be posting the livery requirements soon.

will anyone be online tonight to practice these?

I can be, depending on time.

Ill be on

yes sir   

Me and roscoe are practicing now

I think you could get it a little lower. I don't see sparks yet...